<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 29, 2008 5:48 AM, Richard Wolberg <<a href="mailto:cantorwolberg@cox.net">cantorwolberg@cox.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style=""><div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;">The Sages relate that the angels complained to</span></font><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"> <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;">Hashem when He chose to share His precious Torah</span></font><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"> </span></font></span></span></span></font></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;">with His people. They argued, "Your glory (Your Torah)</span></font><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"> <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;">should remain among the Heavenly beings. They are</span></font><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"> </span></font></span></span></span></font></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;">holy and Your Torah is holy, they are pure and Your</span></font><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"> <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;">Torah is pure and they are everlasting and Your Torah</span></font><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"> </span></font></span></span></span></font></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;">is also." One of the answers to that is three words from the Torah: "Lo bashamayim hee".</span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px;">
<font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;">However, Midrash Shochar Tov 8 says that<span style="font-size: 10px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"> Hashem responded that the Torah could not</span></font><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"> <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;">remain amongst </span></font></span></span></font></span></span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"><span style="font-size: 10px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;">them because they are perfect spiritual</span></font><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"> <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;">beings with no mortality, impurity or illness. Hashem's</span></font><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"> <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;">true glory would </span></font></span></span></font></span></span></span></font></span></span></span></font></span></span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"><span style="font-size: 10px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;">ultimately come from man plagued by</span></font><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"> <span style="font-family: Arial;">impurity and mortality.</span></span></font></span></span></span></font></span></span></span></font></span></span></span></font></span></span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span style="font-size: 12px;"><span style="font-size: 10px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="6"><span style="font-size: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">ri</span></span></font></span></span></span></font></span></span></span></font></span></span></span></font></span></span></span></font></div>
</div></blockquote></div><font size="4"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: trebuchet ms,sans-serif;">Of course the Torah was meant for fallible humans to help US.</span><br style="font-family: trebuchet ms,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: trebuchet ms,sans-serif;">the point of the Midrash is this: Hazal wanted us to know that once th Torah left the heavens it would no longer remain the pristine Perfect Handiwork of HKBH, but would henceforth be managed and interpreted by error-prone humans. Nevertheless - despite the loss of innocence for the Torah - this step was necessary. The time had come for the innocent Torah to mix it up with the mortals and to help us even if if would not remain in its original state.</span><br style="font-family: trebuchet ms,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: trebuchet ms,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: trebuchet ms,sans-serif;">It's a warning against us humanstaking on perfectionistic or highly fundamentalistic notion of Torah - and rather allowing it to do its thing even though it would never be quite the same as it was </span></font><br style="font-family: trebuchet ms,sans-serif;" clear="all">
<br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br><a href="mailto:RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com">RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com</a><br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>