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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">A talmid chacham of my
acquaintance told me (when I asked) that the people who jumped out of the
World Trade Center rather than be burned to death were not committing suicide
or doing anything wrong -- that at the point of death, if you have a choice,
you're allowed to choose. Say a killer gave his victim a choice of death
by gun or by bow and arrow -- the victim would be allowed to choose. It may be
that Shimshon was that close to death and chose to die in a way that would
bring down the Plishtim with him.<SPAN
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class=427204513-25012008>ME-Interesting but where do we see this brought down
lhalacha? and how is the point of death defined (as actuaries say - we're all
terminal, it's just a question of when?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">In the case of a person
suffering from a terminal illness, the person who opts for suicide is not just
choosing one of two alternative deaths, he is actually hastening his
death. <SPAN class=427204513-25012008> </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><SPAN
class=427204513-25012008>Me- Yet we know in certain circumstances one can pray
for one or another's death - why isn't this called
hastening?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Anyway, bottom line, there
is a huge difference between a person saying, "Please release me
from my suffering, take my soul now" to a physician -- and saying that same
thing to his Creator.<SPAN class=427204513-25012008> </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><SPAN
class=427204513-25012008>Me- why?In fact couldn't one argue that the prayer to
the creator is more effective and thus more of a life
shortner?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=427204513-25012008>KT<BR>Joel
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