<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 23, 2008 5:39 AM, Elazar M. Teitz <<a href="mailto:remt@juno.com">remt@juno.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br> As for the prohibition extending to tz'li keidar, even though it isn't kasher for korban pesach: it's no different than beef or fowl, which are likewise not kasher for the korban, and yet are included in the minhag not to eat roasted on leil haseder.
<br><br>EMT</blockquote></div><br>I'm not so sure. Z,li Keidar is not construed as Zli<br>The minhag not have zli has Mishnaic rotos. and it may apply to other forms of meat.<br>Zli keidar by defintion will have Tzir/mohal of the meat -ergo have liquid and not be true zli.
<br><br>If the Gmara or at least the Rishonim had this cheshash, I would be more amenable. I find it troubling that it sems only the acharonim came up with this "chiddush" which to me does not follow based upon the definition of Zli.
<br><br>Plus, a lot of people make chozeh out of this type of chumra. I think it is counterproductive. There are really valid harchakos out theres. I don't se HOW putting a piece of beef/fowl into a pot could EVER be confused with zli which is on a spit or suspended somehow over an open fire.
<br><br>Imagine a humra as follows: Don't walk in the house with your corned beef sandwich because someone is eating milk and cereal in the house. We have harchakos already in the Mishna about ein ma'alin. Arent' hazal's harachos enough - especially when the odds are so remote? It might not technicaly be bal toseif but it is imho a similar mindset
<br> <br>Now if you were to roast a beef on a spit with lots of fluids I could fathom a gzeira that MAYBE you will forget to add enough liquid and meshicha with oil is after all still a good zli. OK so make a gzeira THERE! At least it has seichel!
<br><br>WADR I think this point re: zli keidar is pointless. One can ALWAYS respond that one can never be TOO careful. That is not enough it has to have some kind of reality check.<br><br>Life th Gra I was kind of cyncial about gebrutz. Then I read a stroy in which a rebbgbetzin was baking with matza meal and women spread rumors taht the woman was baking witth regular flour on pesach. At least we have a ma'aseh shehaya to justify a g'zeira, lest onlookers confuse matzo meal with flour. This is perfectly reasonable even for a misnaged!
<br><br>But tis to me adds no value except as an excuse for leitzanim to make fun of minhaggim...[which they have to me personally] <br><br>If there IS a really good logic to this, by all means let's see it!<br><br>
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