<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 9, 2008 4:54 PM, Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>What makes an element of havarah authoritative vs being an error?<br>Sepharad lumps tav and sav, folds together many of the tenu'os,<br>Ashkenaz has problems with ayin and ches (although I would argue that<br>the lack of ayin has to post-date the nickname "Yankl"), etc... Is it
<br>possible that Ashkenazi norm not to be careful on mile'eil vs milera<br>is similar? That baAH vs BAah is as validly/invalidly ambiguous as<br>"ach" vs "akh"?<br><br>SheTir'u baTov!<br>-micha
<br><font color="#888888"><br>--<br>Micha Berger <br></font></blockquote></div><br><br>Agreed the Rema's silence re: the Ayyin bespeaks that there used to be an Ashkneazic Ayyin. I have been trying to reconstruct it somehow for many years.
<br><br>Dutch Sephardim did the Ayin like the French ng [as in Filet MIgnon] or the Spanish n with a ~ on top [e.g. manana]<br><br>I am guessing that the Westernized Ashkanzim had a simlar Ayyin, like the ni in Onion<br>
<br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br><a href="mailto:RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com">RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com</a><br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>