<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 9, 2008 4:33 PM, Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
"as above, so below" -- that everything down here manipulates<br>a corresponding thing up there, and so I can make things happen in<br>heaven. Given this claim, the Torah point stands; if I'm wrong, take<br>
alchemy off the list.<br><br><br><br>SheTir'u baTov!<br>-micha<br><font color="#888888"><br>--<br>Micha Berger <br></font></blockquote><div><br>Tangentially <br>I have spoken to anti-Kabblists. They claim that kabbalha- or at least Luraianic Kabbalh - is all about Teurgy which is hte manipulatoin of G-d of the heavens based upon waht we do here.
<br><br>Press a button down her and we maniuplate the godhead to take care of us [e.g. red threads]<br>According to them ithis is the purest form of Avodah Zara and stems from Babylonains influences etc.<br></div></div><br>
thyey claim that true Jewish Mysticism is associated with nevi'us and how the Rambam describes reaching higher levels. So these people are NOT against mysticism or even ma'sseh Breishis, Merkava etc. But they specifically question the AriZal and probably the Zohar, too as being highly problematic. I would guess that the Ya'avetz and his Dad may have felt the same way
<br><br>KI is life energy. As the Talmud notes a rat will not touch a live baby but will eat a dea adult. The absence of hte life force is the KE to his idea of Ki [or chi or prana] etc. the fact taht the Buddhists articualted it shold not make it any more unkosher than astrology whcih was artciualted by ovdei AZ but is integral to ibn Ezra's poetery and Geshem/Tal etc.
<br><br><br><br>Point: if you believe in mazalos than Reiki is no more unkosher. If you are agaisnt maazlos, too than Reiki might also be treif and so would be saying mazal Tov for that matter. Which makes the nusach of kiddush levana problematic.
<br><br>It's interesting how modern Buddhist stuff is a turn of but with ancient Sumerian AZ we have grown quite accustomed to their terminaology and principles<br><br>And how is it that saying <i>Tammuz </i>is not being over shem elohim acheirim los sazkiru anyway?
<br><br><br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br><a href="mailto:RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com">RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com</a><br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>