<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">First, let me say, that as a klei kodesh also involved in Medical Research Ethics, I was quite impressed with Dr. Shinar's posting on this topic.</span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">I recall a true story about an elderly gentleman who was told by his physician that due to medical complications, he was not to fast on Y.K. The man told his wife that he wasn't listening to his doctor and would fast. The wife, quite concerned and upset, understandably so, contacted (through a third person) one of the g'dolei hador. The Rav called this man and explained to him that if his doctor informed him he was not to fast, then he must definitely not fast Y.K. The man, quite stubborn, told the Rav that he had fasted for over 50 years and couldn't abide by his physician's order. The Rav gave one of the most brilliant responses I ever heard. He told the man: "You are an idolator." The man, stunned, asked the Rav: "What do you mean?" The Rav responded: "You're worshipping Y.K., not God."</span></font></div><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">K.T./B.R.</span></font></div><div>ri</div></body></html>