<br><br><span class="gmail_quote"><br></span><br>On Areivim, R' Moshe Feldman wrote:<br><span class="gmail_quote"><br></span>
<div>>> Our gedolim have<br>taken the position, based on gemaras, that once we have returned from<br>the second galus, we have a promise from Hashem that klal yisrael in<br>EY will survive. Therefore, we can be certain that there is no risk
<br>at all of the Jewish people in EY surviving. <<</div>
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<div>This is not clear cut. We have no guarantee that this is the true Kibbutz Galuyos which is immune to destruction. RSRH writes in a number of places that any human attempt at a mass return of Klal Yisrael to its Land was, similar to the Bar Kokhba revolt, potentially disastrous. And he held that even a mass return of Jews to EY was no guarantee against losing this Yishuv.
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<div>While on the general topic, I just wanted to point out a few things (feel free to transfer to Avodah):</div>
<div>1) Kol Bo (127) quotes the Maharam Rottenburg: "... As long as he will abstain from now on and be careful of all types of sin and fulfill all the Mitzvos HaTeluyos BaAretz, because of he sins his punishment will be worse than in Chu"l, because HaShem constantly seeks the Land... and one who rebels in the palace is not the same as one who rebels outside of it, and it is a Land which consumes its inhabitants.. for it ejects sinners."
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<div>(I think this may relate to the first point - if there is no concern about the Land spitting us out again, there might be less concern for sinners causing us to lose EY. And if there is concern, etc...)</div>
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<div>2) RMF is not the first one to hold that Yishuv EY is a Mitzvah Kiyumis. Others held this as well, namely:</div>
<div>Shu"t Maharitatz (1:85)</div>
<div>Shu"t HaElef L'cha Shlomo 118</div>
<div>Shu"t Rashbash (3) and Shlah (Shaar HaOsiyos 100, Kdushah) say "Raui L'Hishtadel BaAliyatah"</div>
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<div>Also basically agreeing with RMF are:</div>
<div> Moadim Uzmanim (you don't have to leave your country to get a Lulav either)</div>
<div>Tzitz Eliezer (14:72:(7)) quoting R' Shmuel Salant and agreeing with him</div>
<div>Toras Zeraim (preface)</div>
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<div>I again want to emphasize that I am NOT discouraging people from moving to EY - it is the will of Hashem for those who can do so to do so - I am just putting some Halachic perspective on it.</div>
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