<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 30, 2007 11:08 AM, Kelmar, Michael J. <<a href="mailto:MKelmar2@monlife.com">MKelmar2@monlife.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
There was some suggestion that perhaps the Torah forbids us to speak<br>lashon hara about non-Jews because of hashchasas middos. Bad middos are<br>already forbidden by the Torah. If the lashon hara about the non-Jew is<br>
an expression of those bad middos, so it is assur. But not because of<br>L"H, just because of bad middos. The Torah forbids lending money to a<br>Yid on interest, but allows it for a goy. The Torah is m'chaiv hashavas
<br>aveidah for a Yid but not for a goy. Why aren't we worried about the<br>effect on middos in those cases? Charging interest from a goy might<br>result in (or come from) feelings of cruelty, selfishness etc. The same
<br>for hashavas aveida. But the Torah says we can keep it. So obviously<br>the Torah knows better than us and has kavanos that take in to account<br>our nature and purpose in the world.</blockquote><div><br>I am not disagreeing with this just aisi this leads me to a very big kasha - namely
<br><div style="margin-left: 40px;">Why are the rabbanan [Chazal] concerned about issues that the Torah is not?<br></div>E.g., mid'oraisso a brother & sister who convert are allowed to marry each other [kek'tanim shenoldu] but derbbana say "iz past nisht" to be mattir something for them that is assur for a Jew.
<br><br>And there are countless others g'zeiros that have to do with the Torah being mattir something that Hazal felt "is pst nisht." What gives Chazal the right to second guess the Torah?<br><br>If the answer is that it depends upon the generation/dor then ein hachi nami, we should NOT be mattir beahvior NOW in our time that is politically incorrect if it would lead to bad middos -
<br><br>Or OTOH is the answer something else?<br> <br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br><a href="mailto:RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com">RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com</a><br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/
</a><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Sometimes b'davka speaking ill of<br>a goy could be very beneficial. It helps us stress in our own minds
<br>that a Yid is not a goy and that our first obligation is to love all the<br>Yidden and then the rest of the world.<br><br>Michoel Kelmar
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