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size=2>, JRich@Sibson.com wrote:<BR>: The 2nd is that the investment in time is
not worth the return.<BR><BR>RMB then wrote:</FONT></DIV>
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size=2>>>The Gra would answer that for the one yad of math so learned,
the<BR>talmid is now capable of 100 yadayim of Torah.<BR><BR>And now we can
presume the usual back-and-forth about TuM has
occured,<<<BR></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>The Gra knew and used mathematics but I really don't think you can
legitimately claim him as an early exemplar of TuM. You also are not
going to find any charedi RW Torah-only types claiming that a ben
Torah should davka NOT know any math, not even the simplest arithmetic.
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<DIV>I would not even attempt to claim the Gra for TIDE, though I think doing so
would be a little closer to the mark than TuM.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
PTSIZE="10"><BR><B>--Toby
Katz<BR>=============</B></FONT></DIV></FONT><BR><BR><BR><DIV><FONT style="color: black; font: normal 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF;"><HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px">Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the <A title="http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001" href="http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001" target="_blank">hottest products</A> and <A title="http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop00030000000002" href="http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop00030000000002" target="_blank">top money wasters</A> of 2007.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>