<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 21, 2007 1:12 AM, <a href="mailto:kennethgmiller@juno.com">kennethgmiller@juno.com</a> <<a href="mailto:kennethgmiller@juno.com">kennethgmiller@juno.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><br>Please note that we have almost the same phrase - "V'Imru Amen" - at the end of Oseh Shalom in both the silent Shmoneh Esreh and in Birkas Hamazon.<br><br>It seems that a private amen can indeed follow a plural verb. In fact, one could argue that the gabbai's "v'nomar" is merely a case of the "royal We", whereas "v'imru" is more clearly directed to others.
<br><br>Akiva Miller<br></blockquote></div><br>re: V'imru Amein in O'seh Shalom<br>We discussed this many years ago on Avodah: For sources - first see Baer's Avodas yisroel p. 104 & 130 as to why BOTH have v'imru amein
<br><br>Briefly:<br>re: Kaddish: the o'seh in Kaddish is redundant because yehei shlomoh rabbah covers the topic already in Aramaic. And o'seh is in Hebrew - does it really belong to the Aramaic Kaddish?<br><br>re: Amidah the v'imru amein is then re-adapted back to the Amdiah, although it does not belong there. It should be at MOST Amein w/o the v'imru! [iow, it is a copyist/printer's error to say v'imru at the end of the Amidah!]
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