<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 21, 2007 9:30 AM, Eli Turkel <<a href="mailto:eliturkel@gmail.com">eliturkel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>First with regard to RYBS I strongly suggest reading "Out of the Whirlwind".<br>He in fact strongly condemns those who attribute the Holocaust to sins<br>of the people<br>as trivializing the actions of the Nazis. More basically finite man
<br>has no hope of<br>understanding an infinite G-d and his ways. Hence, man can only use tragedy to<br>improve his future but can never understand it.</blockquote><div><br>I did nto read this book, but I learned over time not to take any position EXPLAINING thecause of the holocaust
<br>OTOH, I do think we CAN learn lessons from the holocaust<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>Chazal has ruach hakodesh which modern day gedolim do not have. However, even in Shas various reasons are given for the destruction of the second Temple. It is interesting
<br>that in the story of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza the gemara never identifies the "guilty"<br>parties. In a discussion in our shul various people pointed to virtuallly everyone in the<br>story including the chachamim to did not protest the shame of bar kamtza and also those
<br>that did not oppose Zercharya and so did not bring the king's korban.</blockquote><div><br>yes indeded. In a shiur on this subejctive the rebbetzin broke up a group of haveirim into groups and the conclusion is that there was plenty of lbame to go around!
<br></div><div>Just because the Gmara shteit geshribben that Rav so-and-so says due to
X we lost the Mikdash has anything to do with history! It probably was
an xhortation to better ethics IMHO it is only our "foolishness" that sees what Hazal were saying as imperative to BLAME someone! I just think they were teaching us what NOT To do [like in Acharei mos v'lo Yamus} I persoanlly do NOT believe that those statemetns were ever intended as building blocks of our emnau system!
<br></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br><a href="mailto:RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com">RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com</a><br>Please Visit: <br><a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/
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