On Nov 20, 2007 2:11 AM, Shoshana L. Boublil <<a href="mailto:toramada@bezeqint.net">toramada@bezeqint.net</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>The Eastern Philosophies deal with "Shev VeAl Ta'aseh". Reaching Nirvana is<br>a complete stillness that does not impact on the world, or as the Prof. used<br>to say "does not harm the world".
<br><br>Shoshana L. Boublil<br><br></blockquote></div><br>Martial Arts Master Chaim Sober described to us 2 kind of meditative states:<br><ol><li>Complete Stillness</li><li>Loudness, Chaos, Tumult</li></ol>The JEWISH parallels:
<br><ol><li>Yeshaya: kadosh Kadosh - perfect stillness</li><li>Yehezkel: vatisa'eini ruach voe'shma acharai KOL RA'ASH GADOL - BARUCH K'VOD...</li></ol>In Jewish "Meditation."<br><ol><li>Perfect stillness [perhaps
e.g, iyyun tefillha in the SILENT Amidah [see R. Aryeh Kaplan's books for details]</li><li>Hassidic dancing [parallel to dervishes] <br></li></ol>I don't know if Buddhism itself shares both flavors. Certainly Master Sober's teachers were Zen Buddhists. Bottom line: Sober illustrated that the TWO traditions were preserved in Jewish Tradition from the great Mystic Prophets Yeshaya and Yehezk'el.
<br><br>Koheles would probably tell us there is a time for stillness and a time for loudness.<br>It appears that Koheles was closer to Toaist philosophy then to Zen philosophy.<br><br>At any rate, I don't see Stillness as en end, but as a means to an end.
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