<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 20, 2007 6:12 PM, Daniel Eidensohn <<a href="mailto:yadmoshe@012.net.il">yadmoshe@012.net.il</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">R' Richard Wolpoe wrote:<br>> </div>You have brought no evidence that the sources I have cited are limited<br>to an individual blaming himself for his own suffering. Furthermore if<br>you want to claim that only a prophet can say such a thing than you need
<br>to justify why chazal make such statements all over Shas e.g., why was<br>the Temple destroyed. In addition it seems to be a common practice<br>throught the ages - as you yourself note with disapproval.<br><font color="#888888">
<br>Daniel Eidensohn<br><br><br></font></blockquote></div>To quote Rabban Gamliel kesubbos 78a Sunday's Daf:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">
al hachadashim anu boshim! ela she'atem meglagalin aleinu es hayeshanim?! <br></blockquote>To paraphrase Rabban Gamliel with its converse:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">
It's difficult enough when Hazal take it upon themselves way back when to BLAME circumstances, do we have to do it, too!?<br></blockquote><br>And anyway since when do WE have the same kochos as hazal? Are you suggesting since THEY did WE can do it! Where do you draw the line?
<br><br>My machazor has "umipnei chata'EINU mei'artzeinu?"<br>It does NOT say umeichat'os group X group Y galinu mei'artzeinu! - why not?!<br>After all it could have stated,<br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">
umpinei son 'ei hinma bizman hamikdash galinu mei'artzeinu!<br clear="all"></blockquote><br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br><a href="mailto:RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com">RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com</a><br>Please Visit:
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