<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 16, 2007 9:44 AM, Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Thu, November 15, 2007 11:48 am, Yonatan Kaganoff wrote:<br>: Are Mindfulness or "Being Present in the Moment" Jewish values?<br><br><br>Buddhism teaches a person to stop striving, that desire and striving<br>
are the cause of all misery. Judaism calls on us to shteig up the<br>sulam (to use three languages in as many words).</blockquote><div><br>Buddhims aiui is not a releasing of action but of desire to succeed on one's action. One acts from a "natural" space instead of from a forced space. It might be the difference between acting out of yir'ah vs. acting out of ahavah.
<br><br>When acting out of yir'eh,. eima,resses etc. are concomittant emotions.<br>When acting out of a Zen space one acts naturally, just as a river flows, it is effrotless. It is the natural act of a master.<br><br>
A new driver is "up-tgiht "and VERY zahir whilst driving. A master driver is very calm yet also very aware.<br><br>Baron von Richtoven admonished his fliers: "Do not be ALARMED but be ALERT" [or something similar. Accomplished dog-fighters have very little emotions whilst in a dog-fight.
<br> <br> <br> <br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>Metaphor for the math geek: Buddhism is about maximizing f(t),
<br>Judaism, about maximizing df/dt.<br><br>Zehirus is about watching what we do in terms of its consequences, not<br>in-and-of-itself. Menuchas hanefesh, in terms of making the right<br>choices. Hislamdus, to make better choices the next time. All have
<br>links to the future, not just leaving you in the here-and-now.<br>Mindfulness is simply a non-Jewish spin on the concept; again, IMHO.<br><br><br><br>I also think that Buddhism's ethic is too passivist.</blockquote>
<div><br><br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">SheTir'u baTov!<br>-micha<br><br>--<br>Micha Berger <br></blockquote></div>
<div><br>I tend to agree. But it is not necessary a true Buddhist value because a Buddhist CAN act ethically w/o being emotionally over-wrought. Thus, a Buddhist protesting war might picket calmly and naturally. whilst a Jew might picker passionately. A really good Buddhist might not be passive just dispassionate, more like Mr. Spock. But I DO agree, Buddhists as they are today are passive.
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