<br><font size=2><tt>does everyone agree with the claims of this skeptic
blogger [ i can supply the source], that<br>
: 'proving' the tenets of Orthodoxy is essentially not doable ie the<br>
: 'proofs' don't hold up when put to the EXPERT's eye? [excerpt]<br>
: Some Frum Skeptics however, are still struggling to make sense out of<br>
: life<br>
: and religion.they still hope to meet the Rabbi in Shining Beckishe,<br>
: who<br>
: can prove to them once and for all that Orthodox Judaism is the one<br>
: true<br>
: religion. Of course this is never going to happen, and the more they<br>
: search for this the worse the pain gets.<br>
: I see this playing out all the time. I pinned my hopes on Rabbi Joshua<br>
: Maroof, who, coming from the Chaitian sect, firmly believes that<br>
: Judaism<br>
: is 100% provable (at least to any reasonable non biased person). But<br>
: the<br>
: more I debated with RJM, and the more I found him unconvincing (to me<br>
: personally)<br>
:<br>
: Someone had convinced x that the answer to Life, the Universe and<br>
: Orthodox Judaism was contained in Reb Elchonon Wasserman's kovetz<br>
: maamarim. x got all excited, but then his hopes were dashed as he saw<br>
: what<br>
: a load of nonsense it all was, at least from an evidentialist<br>
: perspective.<br>
: <br>
:<br>
: The problem with this, of course, is that the proofs for Orthodoxy<br>
: don't<br>
: exist, at least not from an evidentialist perspective. From a<br>
: rational,<br>
: objective, perspective these proofs do not convince anyone not already<br>
: convinced. Even more importantly, the people promoting the proofs<br>
: wouldn't<br>
: themselves find the proofs convincing, were it not for the powerful,<br>
: personal subjective feelings that they already have that Orthodoxy is<br>
: true.<br>
:<br>
: Occasionally, the proofs do make an impact on someone, but this is<br>
: usually<br>
: due to shock value. In the same way that reading 'Who wrote the Bible'<br>
: can<br>
: be so shocking that a frum person can turn skeptic overnite, likewise<br>
: having an uninformed skeptic sudddenly be exposed to a full range of<br>
: Aish<br>
: style proofs can equally provide a shock in the opposite direction.<br>
: Apparently Anthiny Flew, famous lifelong atheist, had such an<br>
: experience<br>
: when exposed to Gerald Schroeder's theories of Breishis.<br>
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