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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial
size=2><BR><BR>>>Who says there was a written kesuba? The Avos kept
all the mitzvos,<BR>including d'rabbanans like Eruv Tavshilin, so presumably
there was a<BR>kesuba, but Chazal seem to speak of written kesubos as a custom
local <BR>to some places and not to others. And if there was a written
kesuba,<BR>who says it had to have the wife's name? After all, the wife
has the<BR>document, and if ch"v she has to collect on it she can just produce
it <BR>and everyone knows who she is and who her husband
was.<<<BR>[--RZS] </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial size=2>>> The idea of
an ORAL kesubah is possible of course because after all the Mishna itself
discusses it<< [--RRW]<BR
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<DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
PTSIZE="10"><FONT color=#000000>If the Mishna discusses it I guess such a thing
is possible but to me it sounds like an impossibility by definition.
Doesn't the very word "kesuba" /mean/ "something written"? It's like
talking about "an oral manuscript" or "an unwritten
document."</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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PTSIZE="10"><FONT color=#000000>And how could the wife keep an oral kesuba in a
safe hiding place, to be produced when needed?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></FONT><BR><B>--Toby
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