<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/17/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Eli Turkel</b> <<a href="mailto:eliturkel@gmail.com">eliturkel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">RMF claims that the mitzvah of yishuv EY is a mitzvat Aseh kiyumit like Tzizit<br>where one is not required to do it but one gets a mitzva if one does.
<br><br>R. Shapira (Ztl) disagreed and pointed out that if one wears a cloth<br>with 4 corners<br>then one is required to put on tzizit. Similarly other mitzvat Aseh<br>kiyumit the choice<br>is whether to be in the position. However once in the position the
<br>Mitzvah is required.<br>Same thing for Succah once one eats a meal on any day of Succot it<br>must be in a Succah.<br>The kiyumit part is only that one doesnt't have to eat a meal.<br>None of this applied to yishuv EY
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<div>(Catching up on old Avodah posts....)</div>
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<div>The way I understood R' Moshe's shita is that it IS similar to tzitzis. The gemara/Rambam/poskim all say that there is an issur to leave EY, but do not say that it's assur to live in Chu"l. Saying it's a mitzvah kiyumis (as opposed to "mitzvah chiyuvis al haguf" - his lashon in EH 1:102) means that there is no automatic chiyuv. Someone who lives there, is chayav to continue to do so, the same way someone who is wearing a beged with 4 corners is chayav to wear tzitzis. But there's no chiyuv to go to Israel, nor to wear such a beged.
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<div>I would like to see his piece in Dibros Moshe, where he says he discusses this further. Does anyone know where this in Dibros Moshe it is?</div>
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<div>KT,<br>Michael Kopinsky</div></div>