<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/4/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jonathan Baker</b> <<a href="mailto:jjbaker@panix.com">jjbaker@panix.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>According to RD Moshe Sokol, not mikra, but aggadita, is the trigger for<br>Derabbanan.<br><br>When Debbie gave a siyum on a seder Mishnayos in shul at Shaleshudis,<br>she was supposed to say R' Chananya ben Akashya afterwards, before saying
<br>the long kaddish, until R' Sokol noticed that the mishna itself ended with<br>aggadita, obviating R' Chananya.<br><br><br> name: jon baker <br></blockquote></div><br>IIRCe the Magen A raham is a source for syaing aggada before Kaddish derabbanan.
<br>Hence:<br><ol><li> the yehi ratzon after RAbbi Yishmael,</li><li> Amar Rabbi hanina before</li><ol><li> bameh madlikin <br></li><li>pittum ketores<br></li></ol></ol>[see how structure works? you can backformat this shita of the Magan Av by seeing the pattern in the siddur!]
<br><br>Problem: There is a shul in Teaneck that doesn't bother with this trigger and I am taken back because this is really imho a minhag shenispashet. Why would a shul NOT say an aggadic passage first? [that ommision triggered me to look up the Magen Av]
<br><br>Furthermore, there are shuls that have a D'var torah between minhah and Arbis and many say a Kaddish Derabbanan and many do not. I find it unusual to NOT say it before Arbis.Whilst in aveilus for my late Mom OBM I actually ASKED rabbis of shuls that do not say kaddish and they almost make it a policy NOT to say. Why?
<br><br>[BTW another thread: does bar'chu at arbis require a preceding kaddish?]<br><br><br><br><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br><a href="mailto:RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com">RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com
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