<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/22/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Micha Berger</b> <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Sun, October 21, 2007 9:26 am, <a href="mailto:RallisW@aol.com">RallisW@aol.com</a> wrote:<br>: Is one permitted to recite An-im Zemiros on Shabbos or Yom Tov as a<br>: majority of Ashkenazic shuls do? Is one allowed to recite it at the end
<br>: of davening?<br><br>Why not? Or is this a tie-in to RRW's question about when common<br>practice doesn't fit the texts.<br><br>Ashkenazim traditionally did so. Yeshivos trimmed it out, along with<br>other arguable sections, in order to minimize time taken from
<br>learning. I do not know the justification for shuls that do not have a<br>Shabbos morning seder immediately following to continue omitting<br>pieces of the standard nusach hatefilah. For example, tefillah<br>leshalom hamedinah (your host state) is a chiyuv stated by tannaim,
<br>implemented by over a millenium of Ashkenazim with this particular<br>tefillah. What justifies a shul simply omitting the tefillah?<br>(Ironically, this is a case where the "MO" shul is more likely to be<br>
the less modern and innovative...)<br><br>SheTir'u baTov!<br>-micha<br><br>--<br>Micha Berger </blockquote></div><br><br>It appears that originally in Sheknaz Shir Hakavod was said on Yamim Nora'im [YN]or YK only Furthermore, one of the most common Traditional Meolodies sung in many American Shuls is a drevitive of the the Selichos YN Motif used in at least the following sections:
<br><ol><li>Maran divsihmaya</li><li>Shomeir yisreol [bimei Selichos]i<br></li><li>Eder vahod {RH Shacharis]<br></li><li>Moreh chata;im' {YK Shacharis] Both from R Mehullam b. Kalonymos<br></li></ol>The ubiquitous use of this tune for Shir Hakavod alludes to its having been used primarily or exclusively during YN & Yemei Selichos AISI, the yeshiva world did not shave down its popular use so mucha as actually RESTORING its original usage.
<br><br>I don't know about most Yeshivos, but apparently Telz was influenced by German nusach kach shamatti.<br><br><br>FWIW my old congregation said shir hakavod on every Shabbos but NOT on weekday Yamim Tovim.<br><br>
[Tangentially, AISI, all of our Selichos before RH/YK are really an
extension of YK nusach, and that is why I would extend the "heter" of
Kol Nidre night to recite 13 middos- to permi the entire Selichos season - . kein nir'eh li lehakeil." Although it is obvious that
Selichos are for Ashmeores haboker and at least 1 teimani said that
selihcos is termed "ashmoreth" ] <br><br><br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br><a href="mailto:RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com">RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com</a><br>Please Visit: <br><a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/
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