On 10/17/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Richard Wolpoe</b> <<a href="mailto:rabbirichwolpoe@gmail.com">rabbirichwolpoe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="4">Rav </font><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="4"><i> Herschel Schachter states: </i></font></div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">
<font face="Arial">. A matter of <i>halacha</i> which has been accepted
for centuries can not be overturned, unless one can demonstrate that
there simply was an error involved from the very outset.</font><br clear="all"></blockquote><br><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="4"><i>source:<br>
</i></font><a href="http://www.torahweb.org/torah/special/2003/rsch_masorah.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font size="2">http://www.torahweb.org/torah/special/2003/rsch_masorah.html
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<br></blockquote><br>Given: <br><ol><li>Rif Rambam paskened 2 matzos at the Seder as per simple read of the Talmud.</li><li>Gaonim have a tradition for lechem Mishnah on Yom tov<br></li><li>Rosh/Tosafos say 3 - that sugya is superceded by the requirement of Lechem Mishneh
<br></li><li>Rema says 3 ratifying Minhag Ashkenaz<br></li><li>Bet Yosef says that minhag is like Tosafot and Rosh and paskens 3 despite his stated rule re: Rif/Rambam - Minhag Yisrael prevails neverthless<br></li><li>Shleah - as cited by kaf Hachayyim says the only way to be yotzei lechal hadei'os is to use 3.
<br></li></ol>Question: how did the GRA revert it back to 2?<br><ol><li>Were Rosh, Rema, Shulchan Aruch, Shleah all beta'us?</li><li>If so does this impact their reliablility on other matters/</li><li>Did the Gra feel bound by the norms Minhag Yisrael - or by his read of the Talmud?
</li><li>For those who switched to 2, should they switch back to 3 - since the shita of 2 goes against the norms o Halachic canons as posited by RHS? ""<font face="Arial">one can demonstrate that
there simply was an error" . i.e the error here is going against Minhag Yisroel.</font></li><li><font face="Arial">Is there ever a time limit on overtuning Minhag based upon error? IOW how many centuries o fpractice makes perfect or is it ALWAYS subject to revision based upon a better read of Talmud.
</font></li><li><font face="Arial">How dorecnetly discovered girsaos of old manuscripts play into this? Are they demonstrative of earlier errors and therefore dispositive of minhaggim?<br></font></li></ol></div>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,
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