<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/16/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Micha Berger</b> <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Look at Yaaleh veYavo. We use chag hamatzos, yom teru'ah, biblical names<br>for the Yamim Tovim.<br><br>And so, I would think the proper precedent for Shemini Atzeres is from<br>the end of Parashas Pinachas: Uvayom hashemini, atzeres tihyeh lakhem.
<br>(Comma is representing a zaqeif.) And that would argue for not lumping<br>"shemini" and "atzeres" into the same phrase.</blockquote><div><br>Good point! While WE may use it as a "catch" phrase, this point undermines the aforementioned Rema's observation!
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">But the whole question of why Sepharadim don't use Pesach and RH still<br>
intrigues me. As I said, it sheds light on the whole issue of davening<br>in leshon chazal - because here we clearly are speaking in leshon<br>Tanakh.<br><br>Tir'u baTov!<br>-Micha-</blockquote><div><br>Micha seems to be looking for a "common" theory of everything. I am saying that Lashon Hazal vs. Lashon Tanach is contextual - And that is about pattern recognition etc.
<br><br>So AISI Vatiten Lanu Is tanachi, regardless of the rest of the liturgy. And indeed Ya'alev v'yavo uses Biblical Holiday names for the most part - yom Hazikkaron is after all quasi Biblical <br></div>
</div><br><br>Tngentiallyre: Ya'ave V'yavo - R. Meir Bar Ilan reportedly posited that this tefillah was ORIGINALLY about RH [Yom Hazikaron] only and morphed into a more generic usage<br>When you look at the pattern, it sure makes sense! [source: Mitchell First, esq.]
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