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<p>In an otherwise well-said response to RMK, RRW wrote:<br>
> Exception on Mo'tsa'ei Shabbos psalm 164 and 67 precede Ma'ariv w/o any kaddish <<br>
An easy typo to spot :-). For the first chapter#, RRW meant 144. <br>
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And on a personal note:<br>
>> We all know that in Chu"l you start saying v'sein tal umattar on the 4th or 5th of December. Why does this siddur say the 5th or 6th? <<<br>
> It means the EVE [i.e ma'ariv] before the 5th o[r] 6th. <<br>
Some years ago, I actually corrected my Goldschmidt-publisher Roedelheim-print siddur's "5. oder 6.," replacing the "6" with a "4" :-). For more on this issue (which both RMK and RRW appear to have a handle on, and which I'm sure has been discussed exhaustively on Avodah and on other fora in the past), see Section III of <a href="http://www.lookstein.org/articles/veten_tal.htm">http://www.lookstein.org/articles/veten_tal.htm</a>. <br>
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Shabbas Shalom and Gut Chodesh from<br>
--Michael Poppers via RIM pager<br>
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