<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/11/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Michael Kopinsky</b> <<a href="mailto:mkopinsky@gmail.com">mkopinsky@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>Lately, I have been davening maariv out of a small German siddur, published in Basel in 1974. (Copyright by Victor Goldschmidt Verlag, Basel, 1974. Rechtsnachfolger von Dr. Felix Kauffman, New York, fuhrer Verlag I. Kauffman & M. Lehrberger, Frankfurt a. M. - Rodelheim)
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<div>I've noticed a few strange things in the siddur: (Some of these I'm only noticing now, that I'm looking for them.)</div>
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<div>1) In the middle of the bracha of S'lach Lanu (right before "ki mochel..."), it has a note saying "An Fasttagen schaltet man hier im Morgengebet die Slichos ein," which according to my best approximation (and Google Translate), means, "On fast days, insert the slichos here in the morning prayers."
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<div>What minhag is this referring to? Slichos in the middle of shemoneh esrei?!</div></blockquote><div><br>Yes See Seder Rav Amram Gaon <br>In Breuer's all fast day selichos are said at this point - EXCEP sheini hamishi sheini [aka behab]
<br><br>Selichos during Ellul etc. are said b'ashmores haboker<br>Selichos on YK are said during all five tefillos during hazaras Hashtaz<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>2) Before maariv, it has Shir Hamaalos Hinei Barchu... and Hashem Tz'vakos..., prefaced by the comment "Wenn man an Wochentagen Maariv Bizmano betet, sagt man folgende Verse vor V'hu Rachum." (Google: "When weekdays "Maariv bizmano" prays, says the following verse before "v'hu rachum")
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<div>a) What is Maariv Bizmano? Is it saying that you only say these pesukim if you're davening maariv after tzeis?</div></blockquote><div><br>After Tzeis <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>b) I thought only chassidim say Shir Hamaalos before Maariv. Does hardcore nussach Ashkenaz (the siddur doesn't have mizmor shir before psukei d'zimrei - I think that classifies it as hard core NA) also?</div>
</blockquote><div><br><br>Yekkes dven ma'ariv either immediately after minha - w/o aleinu after kaddish tiskabal<br>or after tzeirs afer this shir hama'los. in obth events, the Bar'chu in ma'ariv follows a kaddish
<br>I speculate that if ma'ariv bizmano were to follow kaddish derbbanan, then this mizmore need not be said.<br><br>Exception on Mo'tsa'ei Shabbos psalm 164 and 67 precede Ma'ariv w/o any kaddish<br><br>
<br> <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>3) In the bracha of birchas Hashanim, it has the following note:</div>
<div>Vom abend des 59. Tages nach Tekufas Tishrei an, der entweder auf den 5. oder 6. Dezember fallt, bis Pesach wird hier "Tal Umattar" eingeschaltet. (Google translation: From the evening of the 59th Day after Tekufas Tishrei, either on the 5th Or 6 December fall until Pesach is here, "Tal Umattar" turned on.)
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<div>We all know that in Chu"l you start saying v'sein tal umattar on the 4th or 5th of December. Why does this siddur say the 5th or 6th? </div></blockquote><div><br>It means the EVE [i.e ma'ariv] before the 5th of 6th.
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<div>Michael</div>
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