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<DIV><FONT size=3><EM>Rabbi Wax's response:</EM></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3><EM>I assume that AISI, as it came thru is a Hebrew that my
computor could not read, and I assume it is Atzeret. Granted Shavuot is
atzeret only in rabbinic usagae, but the reference of Atazeret in Pesach is
certainly biblical. I will examine the rest of your words later when i
have more time. In the meantime, can you send me transliteration of any
terms that you sent in Hebrew letters? Thanks.</EM></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><FONT size=3>There are several
problems with the Rema and with your analogies. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><FONT size=3>First of all, there
are three holidays referred to as Atzeret. One is to the
seventh day of Pesach. Another is
Shavuot. </FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR><FONT style="FONT-STYLE: italic" size=4>WADR this is a red-herring
argument. The Rema is specifically referring to Biblical Terminology; while
Atzeret as referring to Shavuos appears NOWHERE in Humash because it is of
rabbincal usage only.<BR></FONT><BR> </DIV><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><FONT size=3>The third is Shmini
Atzeret. The first two are definitely in the category of CHAG. So
if nothing else, we have a gezera shava "atzeret - atzeret" to include Shmini
Atzeret as a chag.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><FONT size=3>Second, if you look in
Parashat Pinchas, where all of the chaggim and their respective korbanot are
listed, in the last item (Eighth Day...) it says: Bayom Hashmini
(stop) Atzeret ti'yeh lachem....</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><FONT size=3>Since this pasuk is
part of the listing of all of the chaggim, obviously Atzeret is the name of
this holiday of the eighth day.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><FONT size=3>This is also why I
believe that those who say Shmini Chaga Hatzeret Hazeh are
more</FONT> <FONT size=3>correct than those who say Shmini Atzeret HaChag
Hazeh.</FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR><BR></DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT style="FONT-STYLE: italic" size=4>I don't
deny that there are other valid reads<BR>My points were simple and
multi-faceted, to whit: <BR></FONT>
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<LI><FONT size=4>Rema saw a pattern [aisi the terms were Tanach based NOT
hazal based] <BR></FONT>
<LI><FONT size=4>He presumed that since Hag was absent from the Humash for
this holiday that this absence was significant. [ e.g. Dr. Yaakov Elman posits
that Ramban sees Torah as "omisignificant"] <BR></FONT>
<LI><FONT size=4>I extrapolate from this as follows: even were we to reject
the Rema's conclusion [as you did] you can still view his methodology as
having merit. IOW that one can find patterns and use them to draw inferences
w/o drawing that particular inference <BR></FONT>
<LI><FONT size=4>This logic is really akin to davar halameid mei'inyano.
I.E. it is a form of analysis by means of context.</FONT></LI></OL><FONT
style="FONT-STYLE: italic" size=4>Illustation: We accept that the lo Tignov in
the aseres hadibros is striclty in reference to gneivas nefashos by the method
of davar halaeim mei-inyano [see Rashi] <BR><BR>There are probably a billion
XTIANS who are familiar with the 10 Commandments who would be flabbergasted to
see Lo Tignov as so highly restricted in scope! Particularly when you
consider the broaderr scope of g'neiva within 7 mitzovs b'nei no'ach [inyona
d'yoma]! And Occums' Razor logic would posit the broader read as more
likley/logical. Nevertheless, this is valid Rabbinical technique.
<BR><BR>Summary: The Rema's particular conclusions have indeed been called into
question. This does not necessarily invalidate the technique of analysis by
structure, context, or analogy.</FONT><BR></DIV></FONT><BR><BR><BR><DIV><FONT style="color: black; font: normal 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF;"><HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px">See what's new at <A title="http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170" href="http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170" target="_blank">AOL.com</A> and <A title="http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169" href="http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169" target="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage</A>.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>