On 9/30/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Micha Berger</b> <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><br>In a culture which defines morality in terms of rights, we do not take to<br>negative reinforcement the way people have for most of human history.<br>We like the carrot, but chafe under the stick. Rather than Shelomo
<br>haMelekh's rod (as generally understood, not as RSW explains it) causing<br>positive change, it sparks rebellion.<br><br><br><br>Tir'u baTov!<br>-mi</blockquote><div><br>The Talmud/SA tells us that we may not hit a child past a certain age [15 iirc] because he might hit you back and you would thereby trangress lifnei iver...on an issur of misas beis din no less.
<br><br>Granted, that there are exceptions, neverthless I would posit that corporal punishment has not worked effectively [as a rule] for about 2,000 years or more. Anyone learning "Elu hein Halokin will notice that the way malkus is practiced it is more about shaming, embarrassing, and stimgatizing, then about inflicting physical pain.
<br><br>Captains that were heavy-handed with whipping could trigger a mutiny, e.g. Bligh.<br></div></div><br>My favorite Talmudic form of discipline is a dirty look. Apparently Rabbi Yochanan mastered that technique --smile--
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