<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/21/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Michael Poppers</b> <<a href="mailto:MPoppers@kayescholer.com">MPoppers@kayescholer.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p>In Avodah Digest V23#201, RDK responded to RRW:<span class="q"><br>
> the Siddur HaGra and the Siddur Ezor Eliyahu, which is fairly authoritative as far as the minhagei GRA are concerned, put<br>
birchos haTorah after birchos hashachar and immediately before korbonos, which makes the most sense, because it puts mikra, mishna and gemara (ie parshas Tamid, Eizehu mekoman and Rabbi Yishmael) straight after the birchos haTorah. I believe that this is also old minhag Ashkenaz.... <
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I believe that RDK is correct on that last point. (I can't speak, however, for what the GRA advocated.) <br>
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G'mar tov and all the best from<br><span class="sg">
--Michael Poppers via RIM pager<br>
</span></p></div></blockquote></div>Correct this is the format works for Tur and is essentially the form done in KAJ<br>As far as I can tell {AFAICT} This contrdicts the GRA who is makpid EVEN on hirhurrim {se Gil Steudent about Hirhurei Torah!}
<br><br>Another example, Rema specifically exempts Selichos from Birkas hatorah. How can that possibly work for GRA! You are saying Hashem Hashem over and over<br><br>The Rema relis on any passuk that is in TECHINA form is OK
<br>Therefore KAJ says TEhillim before DAvening EVERY day<br>Rema exmpts mah Tovu for same reason<br><br>Regardless of the Tur model or others, we all do Mikra Mishna Braisso after Birkas hatorah with Birkas Kohanim and the 2 elus...' Then this same pattern is repeated in Karbanos
<br> <br clear="all">Rinat Yisrael does GRA siddur one better. Moderh ani IMMEDIATELY followed AT HOME w/ al netilas Yadayim etc. and Birkas Hatorah. AISI, they do NOT buy the GRA's shitata in the Siddur but rather in the Bei'ur and accomodate an early immediate Birkas Hatorah. Rinat being proudced In Israel lich'ora follows the GRA on this point. Rema is NOT makpid on this
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