<div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>From: "<a href="mailto:kennethgmiller@juno.com">kennethgmiller@juno.com</a>" <
<a href="mailto:kennethgmiller@juno.com">kennethgmiller@juno.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Avodah] Selichos - Especially before Midnight<br><br>R' Richard Wolpoe wrote:<br>> Rav Gelley has said many times that Breu'ers does not say
<br>> X or Y because their minhag pre-dates the inclusion of X<br>> or Y into the Davening - IOW the minhag is older than Rema!<br><br>I'd like to know how this works. At what point did the kehilah say "Today is the cutoff. Things we've added until now are okay, but no more new stuff."
<br><br>I ask this because it seems clear to me that they DO say some things which were added after Chasimas HaGemara. Like Slichos.<br><br>Akiva Miller</blockquote><div><br> As RRW could tell you, Minhag Ashkenaz is not defined by Chasimas Hagemara. It is based to a far more tangible extent on the early geonic minhagim they developed up until the globalization of European customs and the input of the Zohar. So selichos made the cut.
<br><br>Raffy Davidovich<br></div><br></div><br>