<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/19/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Micha Berger</b> <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 11:37:23PM -0400, Richard Wolpoe wrote:<br>: <br><br>I once wondered on list whether Yekkes lack the minhag to say Berikh<br>Shemei, or whether they explicitly removed it -- whether because of<br>"ana avda", post-Sabbatean fears of Qabbalah, or some other reason.
<br><br>The difference would be whether a yekke in a Berikh Shemei reciting minyan<br>should say it with the tzibbur because he has no reason to be poreish,<br>or whether he has an explicit minhag mandating he miss it.<br>
<br><br>GCT!<br>-mi<br><br>--<br>Micha Berger </blockquote></div><br>Great question!<br><br>I have heard TWO versions.<br>Version A<br>The yekkishe Minhag is pre-Ari etc. and therfore NEVER incorporated Brich Shemi etc.
<br>Version B<br>The Yekkes reacted to Shabtai Zvi and therfore removed kabbalah AFTERWARDS <br><br>FYI: There is an "Elokeichem" for Shabbas Shuva mussf kedusha that is NOT said in Breuer's but WAS said in my Congregation.
<br>Q: Why does Breuer's [who omits virtually NOTHING from the Roedelheim] omit this? <br>A: Since the first 3 words are Elokeichem SHofeit Tzdedek and<br><div style="margin-left: 40px;">The Roshei Teivos are Sh Tz - same as Shabtai Zvi
<br>.<br></div>This would support Version B above <br><br>OTOH Rav Gelley has said many times that Breu'ers does not say X or Y because their minhag pre-dates the inclusion of X or Y into the Davening - IOW the minhag is older than Rema! This seems to support Version A.
<br><br>I favor Version B but note that I suspect some Shlah influence [e.g tikkun leil Shavuos] but NOT Lurianic stuff. [E.G. no Psalm 30 before Barcu She'amar] <br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Kesiva vaChasima Tova<br>
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