<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/19/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Micha Berger</b> <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 04:13:21PM -0400, Richard Wolpoe wrote:<br>: If Harata is remorse - an emotion such as depression would be the natural<br>: consequence.<br><br>In Shaarei Yosher, shaar 1, fourth principle, Rabbeinu Yonah literally
<br>links the effectiveness of teshucah to the amount of distress one has<br>in charatah.<br><br>GCT!<br>-mi</blockquote><div><br>I don't deny Rabbeinu Yona says this. I deny that it MUST be that way. Of couse it CAN be emotionally charged - neverthelss one can come up with alternate viable models of Haratta.
<br></div><br></div> I believe I couched my terms in an earlier post taht Rabbeinu Yona's approach is much more emotionally charged than the Rambam's [No surprise]<br><br>Did you know that poskim mention that being sad during Aveilus is a RESHUS and not a CHOVA! I would say kal vachomer for haratta!
<br><br>Some people are like British stiff upper lip types. To them haratta is regret over not making a better choice and may have the same emotional impact as say wearing jeans instead of a suit to a social function. One CAN realize the Faux Pas w/o getting emotional over it.
<br><br>I would add, that it might be a HIGHER level to see things clearly and intelligently than emotionally and be involved with the coulds of depression. E.G. we can explain that Ya'akov was depressed over the absence of Yosef, and that this emotion short-circuited his nevu'ah! Maybe had he flet something like "gam zo ltovah" he might have had a different experience !
<br><br>If someone stole my Kiddush Becher I would fell like Clobbering him!<br>The Chofetz Chaim would be mochel him.<br>And My Rich Cousin would simply come up with a way to write it off for more than it was worth and come out ahead on taxes.
<br><br>-- <br>Kesiva vaChasima Tova<br>Best Wishes for 5768,<br><a href="mailto:RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com">RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com</a><br>Please Visit: <br><a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/
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