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<p>In Avodah Digest V23#196, RAF replied to RRW:<br>
>> As we know, the first night MIGHT be a valid exception in that pizmon - even for yekkes - starts "Bemotzo'ei Menuchei" - suggesting ?A Saturday Night start. ?[nevertheless as noted - Yekkes do it before dawn even on the first Sunday...] <<<br>
> Yes, it says bemotzaei menuchah, but it also mentions: "retzeh 'atiratam be'amedam baleilot". Clearly this stuff was composed for early mornings. <<br>
Perhaps that "amidah" refers to a Tiqqun Chatzos type (and timing)?<br>
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That pizmon is labeled Daled in my Roedelheim-print "haS'lichos l'Chol haShanah" book (living in a minhag-Lita community, I haven't opened it in some time :-)). The previous s'lichah, labeled Gimel, is "Tavo L'fanecha Shav'as Chinun" (I don't recall whether or when it's said in minhag Lita) has phraseology which might be a stronger proof for its (and all s'lichos l'Yom Rishon) being said closer to morning than to chatzos halaylah: "hayom k'meiaz b'li sibbah/hin'nu l'fanecha b'ashmah rabbah."<br>
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G'mar tov and all the best from<br>
--Michael Poppers via RIM pager<br>
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