On 9/4/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Eli Turkel</b> <<a href="mailto:eliturkel@gmail.com">eliturkel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<I argued was the real basis for banning electricity on Shabbos. There is<br>more consensus that it simply doesn't intuitively fit the idea of<br>Shabbos than figuring out the mechanics of the issur.><br><br><R' Asher Weiss based on the Yerushalmi says that this is what chazal did
<br>in general on w/r/t shabbat - anything that they felt s/b asser went<br>into makeh bpatish.><br><br>I am now thoroughly confused are we taking about a de0raisa, derabban or less<br>than that. According to R. Asher Weiss did they classify things as from the Torah
<br>based on their intuition? Even according to Micha the mechanics determine the<br>level of the issur. This is most important with regard to modern (non heat) appliances.<br><br><br>-- <br><span class="sg">Eli Turkel
</span></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><font style="font-family: trebuchet ms;" size="2">My guess is that electricity in general is still in flux. That said some preattim<br></font><ol style="font-family: trebuchet ms;">
<li><font size="2">It is my personal conviction that incandescent light is 100% kosher light lekulla and lechumra e.g you can use it for havdallah and neros Shabbas. {Ner Hanukkah is trickier]</font></li><li><font size="2">
Most Halachic principles are pretty much fixed. What
is new must be analyzed and teh usual method - aisi - is by analogy. If
an incandescent light behaves more or less like a kerosene lamp - then
by analogy it gets the same Halahcic properties. What happens on the
molecular level is not quite so relevant.</font></li><li><font size="2">I am also convinced that electric convection oven is 100% bishul both for issur Shabbos and eqaully kosher for "broiling" liver. <br></font>
</li><ol><li><font size="2">Would any serious poesik think that the issur of bishul basar bechalav via electricity is not a true d'orraisso? <br></font></li><li><font size="2">If you completely cooked a chicken erev Shabbos via electricity, would it be Bishul to re-heat it during Shabbos on a gas blech?
<br></font></li></ol><li><font size="2">Current LED's etc. I am not convinced about anything;</font></li><li><font size="2">Given: CI posits that closing a circuit is bone; So, Is it so that putting a magnet back on the Refrgerator door also bone? Is taking a magnet off Stirah?
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