On 9/3/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Rich, Joel</b> <<a href="mailto:JRich@sibson.com">JRich@sibson.com</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="q">Which in yet another thread (#4) I<br>argued was the
real basis for banning electricity on Shabbos. There is<br>more consensus that
it simply doesn't intuitively fit the idea of <br>Shabbos than figuring out the
mechanics of the issur.<br><br><br><br>Tir'u baTov!<br>-mi<br><br></span><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> ======================</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">R' Asher Weiss based on the Yerushalmi says that this is
what chazal did in general on w/r/t shabbat - anything that they felt s/b asser
went into makeh bpatish. IIRC When I looked at the Yerusahlami it seemed to
me (and I am less than dust to him) like they were talking about actions that
there was already a mesora on. OTOH R' AW frequently says "libi omer li"
which I think fits nicely with your general theory. IIRC I heard
that a posek will often "know" the answer and then build the case.
The problem imho is that they probably could have built an equally
convincing case the other way and where does the boundary line to divrei neviut
fall (or put another way, the process fails the repeatability
test)?<br><br>KVCT<br>Joel Rich</font></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Consensus of poskim as a form of "peer review" can be valid & valuable check and balance on taking :intution" too far. Point? If ruba deruba [I like to define it as 2 standard deviations] view electricity as problematic on Sahbbos then it is. Even though it could very well be a judgment call that could have gone the other way. Remember 49 reason to be metaheir and 49 reasons to be metamei...
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