On 8/29/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Moshe Y. Gluck</b> <<a href="mailto:mgluck@gmail.com">mgluck@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
R' ZS:<br>> I don't understand the whole "baavur shemispelelim baadam". I've heard<br>> it in various shuls, but it makes no sense to me. "Baavur" is meant to<br>> give Hashem, kiveyachol, a reason to do as we ask; we ask that our
<br>> request be fulfilled in the merit of tzedaka that we've pledged, or<br>> some other mitzvah that we've done or will do. But what are we saying<br>> here? "Please do this in the merit of the fact that we asked You"?
<br><br>If Tefillah is a Mitzvah, either D'oiraisa or D'rabbanan, then the Kahal<br>fulfilled that Mitzvah specifically because of the Choleh, the Zechus which<br>should accrue to the Choleh's (spiritual) bank account.
<br><br>KT,<br>MYG<br><br></blockquote></div><br>I 2nd this idea:<br>Illsutration: Bizhus Tefillas Rav comes to mind in some versions of Birchas Hachoedsh. IOW the merit evoked is due to saying the Tefillah of Rav.<br><br>
However, R ZS has a point. the Original Nusach of both Mishebeirach and Keil Mole was about giving to Tzedakkah. This comes up in the German custom of Matnas Yad which is the pre-cursor for Yizkor.<br><br>You can circumvent the nedarim problem by stating:
<br>Ba'avur [shemispachto or Hakahal] Yiten litzdakkah bli neder ba'avuor ....<br><br>Somehow I see this as a classic nahara nahara upashtei and all nusachos have yeish al mi lismoch<br><br><br>-- <br>Kesiva vaChasima Tova
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