<font size="4">For evidence of my thseis that this kind of Reshus is realy of the necessary kind - see Rashi Devarim 20:12<br><br></font><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">
<font size="4">"If they do not make peace with you its end will be to make war with you." </font><br></blockquote><font size="4"><br>Just re-interpret this to include the case that if you ignore or refuse to confront a hostile nation then one day you will need to fight them anyway. and this is still Reshus . And my point with Tosafos re: Arvis is that Reshus is not always a 100% optional situation. Just optional if you have something better to do.
<br><br>This is highly analogous to Ben Sorrer uMoreh which is a pre-emptive execution of a "bad egg." Simlarly Milhemet Reshus may be construed as a preemptive war against a hostile nation that sooner or later will attack.
<br><br>I neither case is stiting idly by OK , even though there is lack of IMMINENT Danger. That is my point.<br><br>OTOH when you are under actual attack - e.g. Pearl Harbor - it becomes a hova becasue of the immedicacy of the hostility.
<br><br>E.G. Israel's raid on the Osiris reactor was a paradigmatic Reshus as so construed. OTOH responding to Iraqi scuds should have been a Hova -except for extenuating circumstances of the coalition.<br> <br><br>
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</a><br><br> <br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/17/07, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:kennethgmiller@juno.com">kennethgmiller@juno.com</a></b> <<a href="mailto:kennethgmiller@juno.com">kennethgmiller@juno.com
</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">R' Richard Wolpoe suggested:<br>> Maybe a milchmes mitzva is one that is required immediately
<br>> while a milchemes reshus is simply one that is like a<br>> pre-emptive siirke - iow if you don't fight NOW sooner or<br>> later you may have to anyway. ... It is a Reshus NOW becasue<br>> the enemies are dormant, but it is not simply an exercise in
<br>> wasting human life<br><br>The problem with this theory is that I see no evidence for it. On the contrary, a couple of posters referred to cases where a milchemes reshus was based purely on economic reasons, which I *would* consider to be "an exercise in wasting human life".
<br><br>Even in a case where, Rachmana Litzlan, our countrymen are dying of starvation, and that could be remedied by attacking another country, I can't see any justification in killing those foreigners unless they are actually responsible for our starvation. Pikuach nefesh can justify stealing their food, but not killing their people.
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