<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/9/07, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:kennethgmiller@juno.com">kennethgmiller@juno.com</a></b> <<a href="mailto:kennethgmiller@juno.com">kennethgmiller@juno.com</a>> wrote:
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I asked:<br>> At least according to Rebbi (Yoma 85b), Yom Kippur is mechaper<br>> even without Teshuvah. I do not understand how that would work
<br><br>R"n Toby Katz answered:<br>> The inuyim of Yom Kippur provide atonement, the same as any<br>> punishment or consequence or suffering inflicted by a bais din<br>> or by Shomayim -- not total atonement, in the absence of teshuva,
<br>> but at least partial kapara.<br><br>So Yom Kippur can be partially mechaper without teshuva, but not without the inuyim. I had not thought of that. Thanks!</blockquote>
<div><br>Is this indeed the case? The halachic sources seem to say (and it's been a few months since I've seen them, so I'm probably misquoting) that "Itzumo shel yom mechaper". Violating the inuyim would probably somewhat limit the effect, as it's tovel v'sheretz b'yado, but the effect is there with the inherent kedushas hayom.
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<div>KT,</div>
<div>Michael</div><br> </div>