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size=2><BR><BR><What about noi mitzvah, which is a qiyum of zeh Keili
ve'anveihu? [--R' Micha Berger]<BR></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>>>....it only applies to an aseh<BR>and not a lav. There is no
mitzva to have peyos, the mitzva is not to<BR>cut them off, therefore how can
there be noi mitzvah?<< [--R' Marty Bluke]<BR><BR>>>Why assume it
doesn't apply to lavin?<< [--mi]<BR><BR><BR>>>Having a pretty case
for an esrog or megilla shows chibuv mitzvah. Is<BR>there an element of
chibuv for lavim? ....Where does the halachic literature talk about noi
mitzvah? Is there any precedent of noi mitzvah for lavim? <<
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size=2>This discussion reminded me of two things:</FONT></DIV>
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size=2>1. My father didn't have long payos himself, but he tremendously loved
long payos. He used to have a special affection for any old Jew with long
payos. At some level, it seems, he must have felt that long payos were
somehow more authentic or showed more Jewish pride than short
Litvishe/American payos. My father was a Gerrer chossid but didn't wear
the garb until the last years of his life. I must ask my brothers if he
also grew his payos long then -- if he did, he kept them hidden under his
yarmulke. But I know he loved a Yid with payos.</FONT></DIV>
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size=2>2. Recently I heard a tape of a shiur -- alas, I don't
remember who gave it! -- and on the tape the speaker asked, "Why do mothers curl
their little boys' payos? Because they love their payos so
much."</FONT></DIV>
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size=2>On another thread -- the fig-wasp thread -- R' Micha wrote: </FONT></DIV>
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size=2>>>But I don't think this is true, because it fails the Kuzari Test.
I asked around, and no one around here heard of their grandmothers soaking their
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<DIV>If "what our grandmothers did" is a source, then here you have a strong
source for the custom of growing long payos, as well as support for the thesis
that one can love a lav so much that one wants to beautify it, or I should say,
one can so love the /results/ of the lav -- which means, love the payos
that grow as a result of fulfilling the lav not to cut them.</DIV>
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