In our shul they were debating whetjher to say lamnatzeach on Yom Yerushalayim.<br>That led to the basic question of the difference between them.<br>According to edot hamizrach one doesnt say lamnatzeach whenever one<br>doesnt say tachanun which simplifies the issue.
<br><br>However, Ashkenazim have a much larger list of days that tachanun is not<br>said then for lamnatzach. A quick look at several siddurim gave very<br>different answers as to which days lamnatzeach is not said<br>(e.g
. isru chag, tu be-av tu-beshvat etc.)<br><br>The question is what is the rule when lamnatzeach is not said?<br>And why the difference (according to ashkenazim) between the two.<br><br>BTW I was just a nebi samuel and learned that yom yerushalayim is the
<br>yahrzeit of Shmuel HaNavi. In that case chassidim should certianly<br>not say tachanun on the 28th of Iyar.<br>Yesterday Nebi Samuel was especially crowded being the day after the<br>yahrzeit coupled with erev rosh chodesh.
<br><br>ON a completely different issue I was a week ago visiting the Haas Promenade.<br>From there as well as Nabi Samuel one gets two very different views of<br>all of Jerusalem. From both sides it is clear that "har ha-bait" is MUCH below
<br>the level of all the nearby hills including the Har-Hazeitim.<br>Har Tzion is some 30 meters above Har HaBayit<br>From the water tunnels that lead to the Temple mount it is clear that this<br>could not have changed very substantially since bayit sheni times since all
<br>Herodian water sources are built on gravity and stricy knowledge of the<br>heights of the water sources and the final location<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eli Turkel