<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>Me<BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">RSB's<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>point is irrelevant to the main point of the post - my point is</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">that in<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>dealing with others, we have a greater obligation with respect to</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">what we<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>(not they - we) do than what they believe</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>RSB<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">WADr, I disagree, especially, when Ikarim are part and parcel of the <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">rationale for determining compliance with whether one complies with a halacha<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>such<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">as Shemiras Shabbos (as opposed to making Kiddush), shechitah and edus and <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">even fulfilling Mitzvas Krias Shema which is defined as Kabbalas Ol Malchus <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Shamayim.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV>I think (or hope) we are talking about cross purposes.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>In dealing with those who are not yet zoche to be Orthodox, as with everything else, I think that it is far more important to focus on what our obligations are - to hashem, to ourselves,and to the other - rather than focus on the faults of the others - and sometimes focusing on those faults causes us to go astray. That isn't a point that the others don't have faults - and I am sure RSB can give an exhaustive catalogue of faults - nor what is the optimal (or even minimal) form of kabbalat malchut shamaim - but the question of the proper response to those who we think fail to measure up....</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Meir Shinnar</DIV></BODY></HTML>