<div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">RMS wrote in part:<br><br>we have a greater<br>obligation that we act right than that they believe right
</blockquote><div><br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">RSB<br><br>Really-if as RYBS posited, both Bris Avos and Bris Sinai are the defining
<br>elements of Jewish identity, being Orthodox is as important as being<br>Orthoprax-AFAIK, the psulim of edus and re shecitah of a Mchalel Shabbos are because<br>the person is a kofer in Brias HaOlam and Gpd's role in history.
<br></blockquote></div>1. RSB's point is irrelevant to the main point of the post - my point is that in dealing with others, we have a greater obligation with respect to what we (not they - we) do than what they believe - which is irrelevant to orthopraxy, orthodoxy, brit avot, brit sinai etc- except that the fact that people's insistence on focusing on ikkarim sometimes lead them to violate their obligations (under both brit avot and brit sinai) to the other..
<br><br>2. WRT to orthopraxy - in general, someone who makes kiddush and is shomer shabbat is me'id on briat haolam. The notion of hezkat kashrut means that unless we have specific knowledge to the contrary, someone who is orthoprax has the hazaka of being orthodox - and we don't normally check ikkarim....
<br><br>Meir Shinnar<br>