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<DIV><BR>>>The debate here is whether halachic criteria factor at
all into the <BR>ikkarim - but the suggestion that what ikkare
emunah are is decided <BR>by the minhag amcha - rather than by rational
analysis and the <BR>leaders, would have made the author of
the ikkarim cringe...Yes, <BR>there are halachic issues where the which
shita is used depends on <BR>the minhag - and, as in this post, the
question was specifically <BR>which minhag was the accepted one - and, in
general, unless one <BR>believes it is a minhag taut one does go with what
people do.<BR>However, the very idea that ikkare emunah are decided by the
amcha <BR>reflects a fundamental cheapening of the very idea....<BR>(WRT
Artscroll - their acceptance is IMHO a case of minhag taut, and <BR>I will
leave it at that..)<<<BR>Meir Shinnar</DIV>
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<DIV>As RMS has stated several times that there is no universal acceptance
of the 13 ikkarim in our sources, I wonder a) which of the 13 are not
universally accepted as binding and b) which of the 13 he personally does not
believe. Also I wonder when he says that the ArtScroll's acceptance of the
13 ikkarim is a "minhag taut" -- I wonder what exactly is the taus that
ArtScroll has made, in his opinion?<BR></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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