RAkiva Miller wrote: <> To which REli Turkel responded: In Yerushalayim, there are apparently three times for tzeis hakochavim: 17 minutes, which is the time after sunset that the earliest ma'ariv is begun; approximately 25 minutes, which is the time for ending ta'anios d'rabanan; and approximately 38 minutes (which may vary slightly by season), the time generally posted for Motza'ei Shabbos, and used by those who do not wait 72 minutes. The 25-minute z'man is listed in the Tikotzinsky luach (which is the wall luach for the shuls) for one motza'ei Shabbos as well: Chanukah, since the minhag in Yerushalyim, in accordance with shittas haGra, is to light at sunset during the week, and as soon after Shabbos as possible. Apparently, the 25-minute period is considered to be true tzeis, and though in other weeks there is an addition, either as a chumra or as tosefes, it is not done when it would interfere with proper kiyum of ner Chanukah. (More accurately, that was the situation 50 years ago. I don't know whether it is still the listing for motza'ei Shabbos Chanukah.) EMT -- Eli Turkel