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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">R’ Elchanan
Schulgasser:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As told, the Yavanim would wait until Shabbos and then
go out to find the caves in which Jews were hiding in order to kill them
(the Jews) while they (again the Jews) were defenseless. This slaughter went
on until Matisyahu told everyone that pikuach nefesh is dochah Shabbos.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Of course, there are questions on this (not the
least of which is you didn't need Matisyahu to know that PN is dochah Shabbos)
and the shiur answers many of them. But my question is simply if anyone could
point me to the source of this...Chazal? Rishon? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Our local radio
station played a lecture from Rabbi Irons (<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Detroit</st1:place></st1:City>) tonight, who mentioned this. It’s in
I Maccabees 2:32-41, available at <A
href="http://www.hope.edu/bandstra/BIBLE/1MA/1MA2.HTM">http://www.hope.edu/bandstra/BIBLE/1MA/1MA2.HTM</A>.
Rabbi Irons explained that the Jews felt that it was futile to be Mechalel
Shabbos, they would be killed either way. Matisyahu was “m’chadesh” that they
could, and would, win.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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ALC,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN class=774220520-20122006>Interesting, is it
pashut that you are not mchallel shabbat in P"N situation if you think it
would be futile even for chayei shaah? I thought
not.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN class=774220520-20122006>KT<BR>Joel
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