<html><head></head><body><BR>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 from: "Micha Berger" <micha@aishdas.org><BR>Subject: To: "A High-Level Torah Discussion Group" <A href="mailto:avodah@lists.aishdas.org">avodah@lists.aishdas.org</A><BR>> ...<BR>Koach hadimyon as used by Aristotilians goes beyond the colloquial meaning of<BR>the word "imagination". It's the entire ability to reproduce memories as they<BR>were seen. Creating, recreating and modifying scenarios.... ...<BR><BR>> This point is by the way essential to nevu'ah, which is clothed in dimyon.<BR>Yet, according to the Rambam (as explained .... see previous discussions), it<BR>is still an awareness of a reality.<BR><BR>> Aristotle separated imagination (which he used to mean dimyon in general) and<BR>desire as different kochos hanefesh, although he considers it a tool of mind<BR>used only in support of real stream of consciousness thought....<BR>Given this, I'm missing what's so ra about dimyon. Or are there two meanings<BR>to the word -- one used by Artistotilian rishonim, and one used by everyone<BR>else? <<BR><BR>Would it help if we would translate the "nevuah-type" of "dimyon" as "visualization [of reality]," rather than "imagination"?<BR><BR>Zvi Lampel<br></body></html>