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size=2>>> A subset of the first opinion is <BR>> that if they
just sleep together once they are married.>> [--old TK}<BR><BR>RZS
writes:</FONT></DIV>
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size=2>>>I don't think this is tenable, because it would seem to
eliminate<BR>the position of kedesha. The pasuk says "lo tihyeh kedesha
bivnot<BR>yisrael", which implies that there is no such prohibition for
BN.<BR>And Yehudah seems to have had no more than mild embarrassment
at<BR>admitting to having been with one, so long as that admission
was<BR>limited to his partner, and to discreet enquiries of people in
the<BR>immediate vicinity.<<</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>My impression is that the opinion that sleeping together once makes BN
"married" is distinctly a minority opinion. In any case, sleeping with
many men -- even if you say the woman is "marrying" each of these men -- is
classified as promiscuity and thus would probably be forbidden to a Noahide
woman.</DIV>
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<DIV>As for your contention that Yehuda seemed only "mildly" embarrassed, my
reading of the same pesukim is that he was VERY embarrassed and must often have
asked himself, "What on /earth/ came over me?!" -- as this was such NOT typical
behavior for him, plus, he was no youngster when all this was going on.
(He had to wait to read Rashi to find out that, indeed, "what came over him" was
supernaturally induced and not an aspect of his bechira. At least I think
it's a Rashi.)</DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
PTSIZE="10"><BR><B>--Toby
Katz<BR>=============</B></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>