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<DIV><FONT size=2>With respect to the avno, etc., there are two points in their
existence that might be termed asiyah -- when the object was made, and when
it was made into a bor. Rashi's point on daf gimel is that the gemara there
uses asiyah in the second sense. But with regard to the tree or wall, their
becoming a bor was not the result of "asiyah" at all, for that term implies
active human involvement. Therefore, on daf vav, the term asiyah must refer to
the construction of the wall or the planting of the tree. And that asiyah was
not lenezek.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ygbechhofer@gmail.com href="mailto:ygbechhofer@gmail.com">Yosef
Gavriel Bechhofer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=avodah@aishdas.org
href="mailto:avodah@aishdas.org">Avodah</A> ; <A title=yherczg1@013.net
href="mailto:yherczg1@013.net">Yisrael Herczeg</A> ; <A title=Yzkd@aol.com
href="mailto:Yzkd@aol.com">Yitzchok Zirkind</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:15
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [YGB - יג"ב] Another Good BK Q,
from our talmid Daniel Apfel</DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm">This one is easier to answer,
but since I received (mostly offline) so many wonderful answers to yesterday's
questions, here is today's:<BR></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm">On :דף ג, the גמ' says that an
אסומ', that a person puts into רשות הרבים, isתחלת עשייתן לנזק . רשי explains
that this is so because when it became a בור, (when he put it in רשות הרבים)
it was able to do נזק.</P>But, on :דף ו the גמ' says that a tree or wall that
was in a persons private property that fall into the middle of רשות הרבים, and
the person doesn’t get rid of it and it does damage, he's חייב. The גמ'
continues to say that this is not a case of בור, rather it's learned out from
both שור and בור. The reason this is says the גמ', is because its not תחלת
עשייתן לנזק. רשי explains that the reason behind this is because when the wall
was first built, and the tree first planted they were not able to do damage as
a בור. But according to the first גמ' it should be תחלת עשייתן לנזק, because
when they first were in רשות הרבים they were able to do damage as a בור?? So
what is תחלת עשייתן לנזק? Is it that when it was first in רשות הרבים it was
able to do damage as a בור, or is it that when it was first
created/recognizable as a wall, tree, rock etc., it was able to do damage as a
בור??? <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>