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size=2>RJB: > >>Other well-known halachot based on "mistakes":
the kashrut of bee-honey<BR>> > (when the text meant date-honey)
<<<BR><BR>TK: > Shimshon and Yonasan both ate bee honey. Not a
mistake, obviously.<BR><BR>RJB: >>Yes, but interestingly, both were
assur. One for being eaten from<BR>the innards of a dead non-kosher
animal, the other for being eaten<BR>in contravention of an oath.<BR><BR>So yes,
linguistically, devash can be bee-honey, there's still no<BR>evidence that as
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size=2>The evidence is what you yourself wrote -- in both cases, the honey was
forbidden for a particular reason. In neither case does ANYONE suggest
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size=2>NO ONE asks, "How could Yonasan have thought bee honey was kosher?" or
"Why did Yonasan eat non-kosher honey?" </FONT></DIV>
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size=2>It is obvious from the spontaneous actions of both Shimshon (and his
parents, let's not forget) and Yonasan that they took it for granted you can eat
bee honey. I don't even know what there is to argue about.
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size=2>IIRC the Gemara itself says honey is mutar "migezeiras hakasuv" --
possibly contradicting other statements of Chazal which take "Eretz zavas cholov
u'devash" to be referring to date honey, but nevertheless clearly understanding
bee honey to be mutar. This is not a "mistake" that somehow crept into the
Gemara. <BR></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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PTSIZE="10"><BR><B>--Toby
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