It looks like I didn't explain myself well. I thank several people who wrote, both offline and on Avodah, and I'd like now to clarify my points. I never meant to reject the idea (based, I believe, on Rambam in Moreh Nevuchim 1:2) that prior to eating from the tree, Adam and Chava based their decisions on emes/sheker, and that after eating, based on right/wrong. But there is a great middle area between those extremes. Perhaps I am misunderstanding what people mean by "emes/sheker", but I understand it to refer to objective fact, leaving no room for opinions or emotions. For example, Chava observed that the fruit of the tree was "tov l'maachal". I will concede that this might refer to the objective fact of it being edible. But it seems to me more likely that she was making a value judgment, that it was not only an edible food, but that it was a *good* food, i.e., better than some other foods. This is clearly how the Torah uses the word "tov" in reference to the gold of Chavilah (2:13), to describe it as above-average in quality. What was life like, for people who did have bechirah chafshis, but did not yet understand right and wrong? I imagine that they might choose, for example, between two equally healthy fruits, but which had different tastes. Or perhaps they'd choose between fruit with different nutritional strengths. They had emotions, and desires, and the ability to choose from among them. Could they have desired an unhealthy fruit? I don't know. Such an act would have been "wrong", but they did not yet understand that concept. Might they have rejected it as being "sheker"? Maybe, maybe not. Sheker is a reason not to use a southbound road to reach a northern destination, but I don't see where it would proscribe moderately unhealthy experiences that one might learn something from. So the nachash presented Chava with some reasonable arguments, and appealed to her emotions, advising her that there could be some benefit -- some "tov", which was a concept that she did understand -- from disobeying G-d's command. And she fell for it, because although there was some "good" to be gotten from this act, it was still not "right". But 'right' was something she did not understand. That's the point I'm trying to underscore, and I do not think that it contradicts the Rambam or anyone else. That Adam and Chava understood good and bad even before eating from the tree. And then, after eating from the tree, they suddenly gained a new insight, that even though something is "good" -- for example, pleasurable -- it might still be "wrong" -- that is, *morally* wrong, improper, evil. And a simple way to remember this, is by translating the tree's name not as the tree of knowledge of "good and evil", but of "right and wrong". (In other words: I find the word "good" to be ambiguous, referring either to emotionally good or morally good. By using the word "right" for moral good, we can clear up the confusion a bit.) Akiva Miller