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face="Times New Roman">[The following was written in response to off list
discussion that was spawned by Prof. Levine’s post on this
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face="Times New Roman">Let me preface this by saying that I have no expertise in
Kisvei Arizal and<BR>in the various versions of the manuscripts and prints etc.
I am also not an<BR>expert in minhogim at all, but Torah hi ulilmod ani
tzorich.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">Let me summarize what Yaari writes (thanks to Dr Levine
for a link to<BR>the PDF - See <A
href="http://www.stevens.edu/golem/llevine/yaari_hakafos.pdf"
eudora="autourl">http://www.stevens.edu/golem/llevine/yaari_hakafos.pdf</A>
):<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">First he has a whole discussion (p 261-266) about the
source of going<BR>around the bima, and shows that until the time of the Ari,
they did not go around 7<BR>times, rather only once (in those places that went
around at all).<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">From 266 he quotes Shaar Hakavonos (SH) of R' Chaim Vital
(RCV), that the<BR>minhog was to go around 7 times, and that this took place ST
after<BR>Shacharis, Mincha and <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
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w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Motzei ST</st1:address></st1:Street>. Then he
quotes R' Yaakov Tzemch (RYT) in<BR>Nogid <SPAN
style="BACKGROUND: yellow; mso-highlight: yellow">Umtzaveh</SPAN>, this minhog
in the name of Ari, but with the important difference, that RYT brings it as if
hakofos took place the NIGHT of ST and the morning. The same in Chemdas Hayomim
(CH), where after he brings similar to what RYT writes, he complains about those
that don't do hakofos the night of ST.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">Yaari assumes that the discrepancy between the Shaar
Hakavonos and RYT and<BR>CH, is explained by the fact that RYT and CH used
corrupted manuscripts,<BR>while the "proper version" of the Shaar Hakavonos was
only printed much (almost 150) later, in 1852.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">He then goes on the bring the Shelah, who apparently does
not mention<BR>hakofos at all, and several Sefardim from a hundred years
later,<BR>that do mention it concerning the night of ST.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Ad <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">kan</st1:place></st1:State> devorov.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">In summary, his point is that 7 hakofos is an
invention<BR>of the Ari, and that the Ari did hakofos on ST day and <st1:Street
w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Motzoei ST</st1:address></st1:Street>,
and<BR>that the later ones who bring minhog Arizal for ST night were based on
a<BR>corrupted manuscript.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">Leaving aside the question, that if the Ramo brings a
minhog of hakofos<BR>(at least one) - by day and night, would not have the
Shelah mentioned it?<BR>Are we to conclude that he disagreed with making even
one hakofo? <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">Also, everyone agrees that Ari did hakofos (whether by
day or by night) - why<BR>would the Shelah not mention them at all? Are we to
presume that the Shalo did<BR>not hold of the minhog of the Ramo either, in
addition to minhog of Arizal?<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">In fact, he brings NONE of the minhogim of ST?! So are we
to conclude he did<BR>none of the minhogim? <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">Point being - omission may not be a proof of
anything.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">In addition, we will leave aside the question, that if
(according to<BR>Yaari) RYT and CH had their own manuscripts of Shaar Hakavonos,
that do<BR>not match the printed version (published<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>over a hundred years<BR>later) – “mi
gilo lo roz zeh?” of which is the correct version of SH?
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face="Times New Roman">Maybe the edition first printed in Saloniko 1852 is the
corrupted version?! <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">This is a matter that we should leave to the
experts...<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">However, I believe Yaari’s entire argument is based on an
error.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">RYT and CH were not quoting the SH, but rather the Pri
Eitz Chaim (PEC), which incidentally, was printed MUCH before the
SH - which Yaari does not reference at all - <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>in Shaar Halulov Perek 8, where he
writes:<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">"Minhog Yisroel, shebeyom SA osim simcha gedolo lifnei
hasforim, umakifin zayin hakofos im hasforim, vekorin oso simchas torah ...
(here he brings the Zohar) ... va'ani ro’isee lemori Z'L, shehoyo holech lifnei
hasforim, vehoyo meraked umeranen vesome’ach bechol yecholto bechol hazayin
hakofos belaylo. ubeyom lo reisi..." - which is exactly the wording of RYT!
<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">Similarly the CH is basing himself on the PEC and not on
the SH.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">I have seen quoted a similar signon from 2 Siddurei
Arizal (which I do not own) - apparently also based on the PEC. [I also saw a
reference to Mishnas Chassidim, but I am not sure of the exact wording there, as
I do not have it either].<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">Now of course one can claim that there is a contradiction
in the Arizal<BR>(or rather - RCV) between PEC and SH, but I see no evidence of
corrupted<BR>manuscripts, especially since talmidim of RCV - RYT, and the
compilers of<BR>of Siddur Arizal (plus the anonymous author of CH), must have
had the minhog to do<BR>it the night of ST, which (to my mind) would be a
stretch to say that they were relying ONLY on corrupted manuscripts, and not on
a actual minhog that they witnessed and kept).<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">Concerning doing hakofos the night of SA, which sparked
this discussion -<BR>I no longer see the problem, since once we accept the
version of PEC (as<BR>was accepted by CH, RYT, Siddur Arizal) that he did
hakofos the night of<BR>ST, therefore the minhog chassidim just extended that
minhog in chutz<BR>lo'oretz to SA (as written also in the CH, and see Shaar
Yisoschor of the Munkatcher who deals with this issue - though he does not bring
the CH (for understandable reasons). and feels -and so was his minhog - that
hakofos should be done the day of SA also!).<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">One further point: The chiddush of Arizal on ST was not
so much the idea<BR>of hakofos - which are mentioned already in Ramo and in
earlier sources<BR>(as brought by Yaari) - the chiddush was in SEVEN hakofos
(though the PEC<BR>refers to it as a "minhog yisroel"!) vs 1. It seems strange
to me<BR>that Arizal would not have done hakofos AT ALL the night of ST (which
was<BR>already a common minhog by many), and ONLY did them in the morning
(and<BR>the night after). <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">One last point: The question will not only be on
"Chassidim", but on all<BR>those that make 7 hakofos ST night and day (which I
believe is the common<BR>minhog) – and which according to Yaari would have no
source at all, because<BR>of the same "corrupted
reading".<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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face="Times New Roman">Bottom line: The minhog of hakofos at night of ST, and
(according to those that do it) on SA, is not a mistake, but has strong sources
IMHO.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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