[Avodah] msayea?

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, Jan 21, 2026 at 06:11:34AM +0200, Joel Rich via Avodah wrote:
> Is initiating a conversation with someone who is baduk that he will
> speak lashon hara a violation of lfnei iver/msayea?

Saying something positive about someone that the listener has or probably has a poor opinion of is avaq LH because it is too likely to cause a negative response. (Rambam, Hil' Dei'os 7:4, Chafeitz Chaim, Hilkhos LH 9:1)

So, yes.

I think mesayeia (derabbanan) is only when the person would do the averia
either way. so this would be full lifnei iveir and thus a deOraisa.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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