[Avodah] Lashon Hara in the Torah

[Micha Berger]

On Fri, Jul 04, 2025 at 09:59:17AM +1000, Rabbi Meir G. Rabi via Avodah wrote:
>> Hil' Geneivas Daas from comparing that event to the end of Bereishis when
>> the brothers entirely lie about Yaaqov asking Yosef to forgive them rather
>> than Hashem's only telling Avraham a partial truth.
> 
> Not sure I understand the comparison - they lied in order to bring about
> peace, LeMaAn HaShalom, that is how Chazal describe it; Sara Immenu's
> deflection/indiscretion was due to her being afraid, Ki YeReiAh. R Micha
> introduces HKBHs lie to Avraham for the sake of peace, why might that be
> relevant?

We cannot learn the laws of when sheqer or shinui es ha'emes are
appropriate from Hashem only telling Avraham a partial truth of what
Sarah said without knowing what Sarah actually said by comparison.

> Also not sure what R Micha wants to clarify with his observations about
> Dovid HaMelech and ReUvein

These are cases where the pasuq is more judgmental than Chazal says
is reality. It not only says what we would have thought was LH against
Re'uevein and David, it imploys quzma. So that one also has to understand
how Chazal aren't saying the pasuq committed motzi sheim ra!

And whatever reasons the pasuq has for hiding information about a sin
or in the reverse -- exaggerating it -- one has to explain why those
reasons don't apply to Chazal.

Your question, but more so, as we have the same problem in both
directions.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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